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Wednesday 4 March 2009

Prosaic -- by Ringo37

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Poetry nudges me: you know, poetry says.
You know all of this is irreducible,
Unmanageable, unwieldy, and unfit for prose
(“How about for amateurs?” I want to quip –
But know that poetry, though she loves her puns,
Would fail to see the joke).
Poetry’s relentless: what you feel, now, and what you see –
They’re mine, poetry insists. Where beauty is concerned –
Bandit-masked magpies bounce and glimmer verdigris
In tumbling March light, and clouds, reflected in many-angled windowpanes,
Are copper, now, and cobalt, now, and now the colour of clear tea –
Poetry is proprietorial.

“And what about - ?” – but poetry’s ahead of me.
Yes, all that stuff, too: what’s awful, what’s deep-sunk –
What rolls through you like ocean-currents, riptidal, cold, bonegrey,
Roll through an ocean: over wrecks and bones –
These things that make you (“Me?” I ask – yes, you, she says)
Not weep or sing but, rather, summon something more:
That make you want to answer in a manner consonant in scale with
The way the world expresses things –
These have a sort of beauty too, she smiles – that is, if I say they do.
I smile back at poetry. “And do you say so?” Poetry says she does.
And if they’re beautiful, these things, then poetry
Will take them for her own.

“It’s all the same,” I argue. “Prose and poetry: neither’s real,
Neither’s true, and each is only compromise, is humbug, is a sham,
And furthermore,” I say (for I am drunk and not articulate), “they’re both
Just words, is all they are. Life does not have words –
And nor does life need all that scaffolding
Of scansion, stanzas, rhythm, rhyme and tone – no, life has a high style all its own, and words aren’t worth a damn.”
I fall silent, then, feeling like that Cromwell-era poet who (though Godly) railed against his God,
Until, with gentleness ineffable, rebuked: “Child!”, God says. But poetry
Says nothing –
So I again declare: “Life has no words, and has no need of words”, and poetry says, “Nor has poetry.”
I (being drunk and not articulate) have no quick reply – but think (as I have thought before) that this
Is just the sort of damned confounding thing that poetry often likes to say.
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28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Eliotonian.
I must print this and read in a non-screen leisure way.

Pinkerbell said...

Mimi, this definitely needs to be read off-screen, and several times. The more I read it the more I see in it, I'm not sure I'm ready to comment now...
I'm not much of a poet (see my blog for evidence of this) but this does strike a chord, especially the feeling that poetry is in step with the world and that if you really get into thinking about it you feel like you're merely a vessel for what's already there, not conjuring something new. And yes, it's different to prose. I tried taking the beginnings of a story and translating it into a poem and it just wouldn't distill into anything resembling a poem, it wasn't precise enough - which leads me to muse that poetry is surely about the reducible, rather than the irreducible, but heh I'm the "amateur" here.
Anyway, this is a beautifully lyrical piece, which looks to the first glance like prose but really works as a poem, rather proving what Poetry is saying (clever that!)

Written after a few glasses of creative-enhancing whisky perhaps?

Zephirine said...

I really like this. The tone is knowing without being smartarse, a difficult thing to achieve:), and I like the mix of tones. It's a more serious poem than it pretends to be. And it makes you think.

Good stuff, ringo.

ringo37 said...

Thanks very much all.

Pinkerbell: written during a fleeting interlude of sobriety, actually.

Zeph: glad it made you think - and that I managed to conceal the fact that I'm a smartarse...

Anonymous said...

Smartarse, smug, self-knowing, up-yourself. These are verbal missiles often fired at people who use words elegantly and in poetry. They are not words I associate with anything I read at this place.

The more often I read this particular poem, and yes, I have read it out loud to the furs, the more I find the rhythm and the beat. It's not rhyme as such, but if you read it in a certain why, you get the rhyme. Here and there.

This is one of the best pieces of writing I have found here at Stuff - and that's high praise for I have found more here than in many a book of collected works of volume-selling poets.

This poem uses words to create beauty of their own, but also credits the reader with knowledge. There are references that are not explained but I think, even if you don't know to what the poet refers, the words work.

I love the Bandit-masked magpies. I think I will see them as such now rather than robber barons.

And the phrase "poetry is proprietorial" is sheer genius.

It just is.

Thank you Ringo for this poem. Can't wait for the next time you share your words in Zeph's Salon.

Anonymous said...

Oh and by the way, pompous arse is what I thought about something I read on another site recently and that is so many million miles away from what I find here.

Anonymous said...

Sonnets are required over at my blog (geez, I hope I'm not the "pompous arse" mimi referred to, though I guess I could be)...

Yes, this means all of you. Get cracking, you idle buggers...

Zephirine said...

This poem made me remember a fine poem by Czeslaw Milosz, and I've put it over in the Annexe along with some others of his - highly recommended.

Anonymous said...

Mimi I have a gorgeous picture of your cats all sat round whilst you read to them, I bet they understood! Ringo - definitely not a whiff of smartarse here so don't even think it! It's very easy to be jealous of the writer of such a clever poem though...

ringo37 said...

Zeph - I'm not familiar with Milosz, and I'm usually hesitant about reading poetry in translation, but the poems at the Annexe are really excellent ("What reasonable man would like to be a city of demons,/who behave as if they were at home") and make me wish that I could read Polish. Thanks for posting them.

Mimi - blimey, thanks a lot. I actually spent quite a lot of time on the rhythm of the thing, so thanks for picking up on it.

Zephirine said...

ringo, I wouldn't claim to be any kind of expert on Milosz, but Except the Books is one of my all-time favourite poems (first discovered through the very wonderful Poems on the Underground, I nearly missed my stop trying to memorise it).

He may have translated these poems himself, he did so quite often and also worked with several trusted translators, but apparently always wrote first in Polish.

Zephirine said...

Sorry, And Yet the Books, duh. Didn't memorise it quite well enough:)

Anonymous said...

really dig this Ringo, funny and provocative, thoughtful and irreverent, a dialogue with form, very clever, flowing and artful. Great stuff - Poetry would appreciate the record of your conversation I'm sure!

ringo37 said...

Cheers File.

Just a thought: if anyone's interested, the reference to the "Cromwell-era poet" is to George Herbert, and 'The Collar', whom and which I thoroughly recommend, religiosity notwithstanding.

http://homepages.wmich.edu/~cooneys/poems/Herbert.Collar.html

Anonymous said...

Often you have to read aloud to get rhythm in poetry, and yes, Pinkerbell, the cats are subjected to it quite often and have perfected the art of sitting and seeming absorbed!

Misha: certainly not referring to you.

Anonymous said...

À la santé de Ringo et des poètes du coin!

http://www.heureverte.com/content/view/107/234/

La muse verte vous salue bien.

Anonymous said...

What with la Fée Verte and the green elephants we're very Green around here, quite foliaginous..

Anonymous said...

Green is the colour indeed, with just a touch of envy for Ringo's gift of the gab.

(Paddy's day must be around the corner, any shoots in the garden yet?)

Zephirine said...

It is spring, and I have the daffodils to prove it. You tropical types have forgotten how to appreciate the importance of those little yellow flowers:)

Anonymous said...

No daffs yet in these northern climes, but crocuses (croci?) are everywhere. Even in our rather feeble garden there is a carpet of mostly purple but yellow flashes here and there. And spring weather shows itself in other ways - today mostly sun, but some heavy showers, leading to luminous rainbows over the firth. Clear sky this evening so looking forward to glorious sunset in a few hours.

ringo37 said...

Crocuses all over the shop in these parts.

"Crocuses/ Pale purple as if they had their birth/ In sunless Hades fields."

Edward Thomas, that. Just to stop everyone getting too cheerful...

Anonymous said...

Ed-ward Thom-as could get de-pressed about a-nything. Although he never (to my knowledge) spent more than holidays in Wales, I always read his work with a valleys voice. Perhaps influenced by his association with W H Davies.

Pinkerbell said...

You want depressed (?) listen to Barber's "Adagio for Strings", as I'm doing. It gets tears every time. I have got to say for me fantastic music can hit the emotional spots I don't think poetry ever could. Possibly a dangerous thing to say on a poetry blog (der - Pink!)

Anonymous said...

I think the Leibestod trumps anything else
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOGs8TtnwoI

Pinkerbell said...

I tried to listen to this, but it's too late, I need to put it on at full volume and get lost in it before I can decide whether it can possibly trump my beloved Barber!

Anonymous said...

poetry on prose or prose on poetry, this piece has a poetic strengh that even my ignorance can perceive-
I always felt that poetry was prose in music-Sartre used to compare a good poem to a painting-
Very Interesting piece-

Zephirine said...

Happy Elephant Day, Guitou :)

Anonymous said...

thanks Zeph, on this friday the 13,happy elephantastic day to you :-)